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Forum Topic - IDE in QNX6.4 Momentics Host: (9 Items)
   
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Leonid Khait(deleted)
03/21/2009 10:27 AM
post24953
IDE in QNX6.4 Momentics Host   
Are there plans to return IDE to the QNX6.4 Momentics Host Platform?
Steve Reid
03/24/2009 9:13 AM
post25093
Re: IDE in QNX6.4 Momentics Host   
Just to clarify: "QNX Momentics" is the tool suite (i.e. the IDE and command-line tools), and "QNX Neutrino" is the OS. 
To the best of my knowledge, there are no plans to bring the IDE back to self-hosted Neutrino systems. Someone from 
Product Management might be able to give you more information.
Prem Mallappa(deleted)
04/09/2009 5:25 AM
post26503
Re: IDE in QNX6.4 Momentics Host   
Its really funny because, they have a beautiful OS with self hosting capability but they dont support it for using it in
 daily life, I need Momentics IDE then get a Windows/Linux box install Momentics for Windows/Linux.
doesn't really sound cool does it ?
Mario Charest
04/09/2009 1:19 PM
post26592
RE: IDE in QNX6.4 Momentics Host   

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Prem Mallappa [mailto:community-noreply@qnx.com]
> Sent: April-09-09 5:26 AM
> To: general-ide
> Subject: Re: IDE in QNX6.4 Momentics Host
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> Its really funny because, they have a beautiful OS with self hosting
> capability but they dont support it for using it in daily life, I need
> Momentics IDE then get a Windows/Linux box install Momentics for
> Windows/Linux.
> doesn't really sound cool does it ?

Money talks and the real customer with the money aren't showing on foundry27. 


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Hans-Peter Reichert
04/10/2009 1:42 AM
post26663
AW: IDE in QNX6.4 Momentics Host   
> 
> Money talks and the real customer with the money aren't showing on foundry27. 
>

that's not quite correct ;-) 
 
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Mario Charest
04/10/2009 9:00 AM
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RE: IDE in QNX6.4 Momentics Host   

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hans-Peter Reichert [mailto:community-noreply@qnx.com]
> Sent: April-10-09 1:43 AM
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> Subject: AW: IDE in QNX6.4 Momentics Host
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> > Money talks and the real customer with the money aren't showing on
> foundry27.
> >
> 
> that's not quite correct ;-)

Does that mean you're to blame for self hosted not supporting Eclipse anymore?

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Hans-Peter Reichert
04/10/2009 12:03 PM
post26677
Re: RE: IDE in QNX6.4 Momentics Host   
me as an individual - I would like to see a self hosted IDE.
Which still wont give me the chance to work with.
->big company
->big IS departemant
->mainstream tools and work/office env
.....
and those who set that kind of discissions are definitely not on f27

/hp
David Young(deleted)
04/09/2009 10:38 PM
post26662
Re: IDE in QNX6.4 Momentics Host   
Option 1: use older IDE 4.0.1 on Neutrino 6.4.0 host
You can run the IDE that shipped with Neutrino 6.3.2 on Neutrino 6.4.0
Since the IDE 4.0.1 Neutrino installer script won't run on Neutrino 6.4.0 due to the change in the tail utility, I've 
attached the zip file for your experimental use. 
Certain features won't work (lile code coverage and application profiling) because the command line tools in 6.4.0 are 
newer than 6.3.2
But it will build projects and it will do it with the same performance as it does on 6.3.2

BTW, the IDE 4.5 was not included with Neutrino 6.4.0 due to poor performance. Everything ran 4x slower due to the newer
 eclipse incompatibility with the current Perc JVM. The development resources to fix this in time for release were not 
available.

Option 2: Use VMware player to run Neutrino 6.4.0 x86 target on your development host with IDE 4.5

If you want to use the new features of IDE 4.5, Ii recommend linux red hat host (it is faster than windows) and run the 
neutrino 640 vmware image on a vmplayer on the same box
The vmware image is included in the DVD download (or you can make your own)
This way you can do x86 target development on the same host
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Rodney Dowdall(deleted)
04/12/2009 12:35 AM
post26715
Re: IDE in QNX6.4 Momentics Host   
That is a good point to make.  In the beginning, IBM's J9 was used to run the IDE on Self hosted.  This worked out 
pretty well.  J9 did a fairly good job of running the IDE.  Unfortunately, because J9 was a J2ME VM, with java 1.3.1 
compatibility, it meant that when Eclipse went to a 1.5 requirement, J9 was not longer an option to run the IDE.  The 
Perc VM was brought in to run the IDE because it was 1.5 compliant.  It did an okay job at running the IDE, but it was 
found to be lacking in certain areas which hurt the performance of the IDE over time.  

Really what needs to be done to get the IDE to work on a self hosted system is to port the OpenJDK VM or the Apache 
Harmony VM.  I'm not implying this is trivial, and the fact that it isn't is why there isn't an IDE on self hosted. 

Here are the links to each of the projects if someone wanted to take a look:

http://openjdk.java.net/projects/jdk6/
http://harmony.apache.org/

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