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Does Momentics Support QNX Neutrino 6.4.0 Hosts?  
It appears that the standard install of the QNX Neutrino 6.4.0 OS (the DVD iso from the QNX website) doesn’t come with 
the Momentics IDE anymore. Does anyone know how to install Momentics on a QNX Neutrino 6.4.0 machine? 

I installed from the “All Host” DVD (iso downloaded from the website), but it only contains the Neutrino RTOS 6.4.0 
and Momentics installers for Windows and Linux hosts only. I then tried booting from the “Neutrino Host” CD, but again
 this version of the RTOS did not have Momentics on it. Does Momentics not support Neutrino 6.4.0?
RE: Does Momentics Support QNX Neutrino 6.4.0 Hosts?  
It`s not available anymore and my gut feeling tells me it won`t ever be

________________________________________
From: Tim Hale [community-noreply@qnx.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 8:15 PM
To: general-toolchain
Subject: Does Momentics Support QNX Neutrino 6.4.0 Hosts?

It appears that the standard install of the QNX Neutrino 6.4.0 OS (the DVD iso from the QNX website) doesn’t come with 
the Momentics IDE anymore. Does anyone know how to install Momentics on a QNX Neutrino 6.4.0 machine?

I installed from the “All Host” DVD (iso downloaded from the website), but it only contains the Neutrino RTOS 6.4.0 
and Momentics installers for Windows and Linux hosts only. I then tried booting from the “Neutrino Host” CD, but again
 this version of the RTOS did not have Momentics on it. Does Momentics not support Neutrino 6.4.0?

_______________________________________________
General
http://community.qnx.com/sf/go/post25944
Re: Does Momentics Support QNX Neutrino 6.4.0 Hosts?  
I don't understand fun on working on desktop that runs micro-kernel OS with fault protection, message passing and power 
safe file system,
it is all nice for runtime but for desktop it means it would be SLOW. IDE would be 10 times slower as linux. Build time 
would 10-50 times slow. Why all this sacrifice?


Mario Charest wrote:
> It`s not available anymore and my gut feeling tells me it won`t ever be
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: Tim Hale [community-noreply@qnx.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 8:15 PM
> To: general-toolchain
> Subject: Does Momentics Support QNX Neutrino 6.4.0 Hosts?
> 
> It appears that the standard install of the QNX Neutrino 6.4.0 OS (the DVD iso from the QNX website) doesn’t come 
with the Momentics IDE anymore. Does anyone know how to install Momentics on a QNX Neutrino 6.4.0 machine?
> 
> I installed from the “All Host” DVD (iso downloaded from the website), but it only contains the Neutrino RTOS 6.4.0 
and Momentics installers for Windows and Linux hosts only. I then tried booting from the “Neutrino Host” CD, but again
 this version of the RTOS did not have Momentics on it. Does Momentics not support Neutrino 6.4.0?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> General
> http://community.qnx.com/sf/go/post25944
> 
> _______________________________________________
> General
> http://community.qnx.com/sf/go/post25946
Re: Does Momentics Support QNX Neutrino 6.4.0 Hosts?  
On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 10:14:17AM -0400, Elena Laskavaia wrote:
> I don't understand fun on working on desktop that runs micro-kernel OS with fault protection, message passing and 
power safe file system,
> it is all nice for runtime but for desktop it means it would be SLOW. IDE would be 10 times slower as linux. Build 
time would 10-50 times slow. Why all this sacrifice?

- I've always found myself much more productive self hosted.
- Running our stuff is a great way to find bugs.
- Necessity is the mother of invention.

-seanb
Re: Does Momentics Support QNX Neutrino 6.4.0 Hosts?  

Sean Boudreau wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 10:14:17AM -0400, Elena Laskavaia wrote:
>> I don't understand fun on working on desktop that runs micro-kernel OS with fault protection, message passing and 
power safe file system,
>> it is all nice for runtime but for desktop it means it would be SLOW. IDE would be 10 times slower as linux. Build 
time would 10-50 times slow. Why all this sacrifice?
> 
> - I've always found myself much more productive self hosted.
I don't think you were using IDE. Did you?

> - Running our stuff is a great way to find bugs.
Which is good point for qnx employee, not sure it is applicable for customers

> - Necessity is the mother of invention.
Which in this case worked the other way around. Not enough necessity and we don't want to support it anymore.

> 
> -seanb
> 
> _______________________________________________
> General
> http://community.qnx.com/sf/go/post25973
> 
RE: Does Momentics Support QNX Neutrino 6.4.0 Hosts?  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elena Laskavaia [mailto:community-noreply@qnx.com]
> Sent: April-03-09 10:39 AM
> To: general-toolchain
> Subject: Re: Does Momentics Support QNX Neutrino 6.4.0 Hosts?
> 
> 
> 
> Sean Boudreau wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 10:14:17AM -0400, Elena Laskavaia wrote:
> >> I don't understand fun on working on desktop that runs micro-kernel
> OS with fault protection, message passing and power safe file system,
> >> it is all nice for runtime but for desktop it means it would be
> SLOW. IDE would be 10 times slower as linux. Build time would 10-50
> times slow. Why all this sacrifice?
> >
> > - I've always found myself much more productive self hosted.
> I don't think you were using IDE. Did you?

And you Elena what are you using QNX for?

> 
> > - Running our stuff is a great way to find bugs.
> Which is good point for qnx employee, not sure it is applicable for
> customers
> 
> > - Necessity is the mother of invention.
> Which in this case worked the other way around. Not enough necessity
> and we don't want to support it anymore.

By doing so you are killing 20 years of philosophy that was partly the success of QNX. You are also giving arguments to 
people that are over the fence about QNX and Linux. QNX isn't fully self hosted anymore while Linux is.
You are also turning away from industrial market for which self hosted is a great asset.

But hey it's your company, you get to run it like you want ;-) 


> 
> >
> > -seanb
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > General
> > http://community.qnx.com/sf/go/post25973
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> General
> http://community.qnx.com/sf/go/post25976
> 
Re: Does Momentics Support QNX Neutrino 6.4.0 Hosts?  
> 
> By doing so you are killing 20 years of philosophy that was partly the success of QNX. You are also giving arguments 
to people that are over the fence about QNX and Linux. QNX isn't fully self hosted anymore while Linux is.
> You are also turning away from industrial market for which self hosted is a great asset.
> 
> But hey it's your company, you get to run it like you want ;-) 
> 
I don't have that much control. I am just developer. This was a business decision. This was only my 2 cents about why I 
don't think it worse it.
I was TRYING to use IDE 4.5 on self hosted, it was not good by any means. You can download it from foundry if you want 
and see yourself.
RE: Does Momentics Support QNX Neutrino 6.4.0 Hosts?  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elena Laskavaia [mailto:community-noreply@qnx.com]
> Sent: April-03-09 11:03 AM
> To: general-toolchain
> Subject: Re: Does Momentics Support QNX Neutrino 6.4.0 Hosts?
> 
> 
> >
> > By doing so you are killing 20 years of philosophy that was partly
> the success of QNX. You are also giving arguments to people that are
> over the fence about QNX and Linux. QNX isn't fully self hosted anymore
> while Linux is.
> > You are also turning away from industrial market for which self
> hosted is a great asset.
> >
> > But hey it's your company, you get to run it like you want ;-)
> >
> I don't have that much control. I am just developer. This was a
> business decision. This was only my 2 cents about why I don't think it
> worse it.

I understand that, it was my 2 cents about the flip side.

> I was TRYING to use IDE 4.5 on self hosted, it was not good by any
> means. You can download it from foundry if you want and see yourself.

Oh I know.  I've never use the IDE on self-hosted, was just to slow for my taste.  However I don't buy the argument that
 it's because of the architecture of the OS, the problem is the JVM.

For that matter why is QSS still bothering proving a compiler for and associated tools for self-hosted, unless this is 
also about to go bye bye very soon.

Just ran a test of a compile between Linux and QNX of the same hardware from the command line.  QNX 24.94 sec, Linux 23.
29 sec ;-)

Ok now i'm bending my own policy of sticking to technical issue.  Time to get back on track...

> 
> _______________________________________________
> General
> http://community.qnx.com/sf/go/post25984
> 
Re: RE: Does Momentics Support QNX Neutrino 6.4.0 Hosts?  
> By doing so you are killing 20 years of philosophy that was partly the success
>  of QNX. You are also giving arguments to people that are over the fence about
>  QNX and Linux. QNX isn't fully self hosted anymore while Linux is.
> You are also turning away from industrial market for which self hosted is a 
> great asset.

I doubt that people use Embedded Linux on their desktop. :-)

I agree that it's a pity that the self-hosted IDE is gone, but I also think it was the JVM and this is something QNX 
cannot easily address. As for new QNX customers, I don't meet anyone that even asks about self-hosted development. 
Everyone expects cross development. Seems all QNX competion (Wind River, Green Hills) does it too. 


- Malte
RE: RE: Does Momentics Support QNX Neutrino 6.4.0 Hosts?  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Malte Mundt [mailto:community-noreply@qnx.com]
> Sent: April-24-09 5:35 AM
> To: general-toolchain
> Subject: Re: RE: Does Momentics Support QNX Neutrino 6.4.0 Hosts?
> 
> > By doing so you are killing 20 years of philosophy that was partly
> the success
> >  of QNX. You are also giving arguments to people that are over the
> fence about
> >  QNX and Linux. QNX isn't fully self hosted anymore while Linux is.
> > You are also turning away from industrial market for which self
> hosted is a
> > great asset.
> 
> I doubt that people use Embedded Linux on their desktop. :-)
> 
> I agree that it's a pity that the self-hosted IDE is gone, but I also
> think it was the JVM and this is something QNX cannot easily address.
>
> As for new QNX customers, I don't meet anyone that even asks about
> self-hosted development. 
>

>Everyone expects cross development. Seems all QNX competion (Wind River, Green Hills) does it too.

Hum, you don't see Linux as QNX competition.  That tells me a lot.  Already said more than my religion allows me to, 
stick to technical issue...


>
> - Malte


> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> General
> http://community.qnx.com/sf/go/post27966
>